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How old is the ZODIAC? | Ancient Aliens and the Constellation Code

October 16, 2020 By



What is the true age of the Zodiac? And for how long have we been using the constellations that make up the #Zodiac? In this video, Dr. Miano investigates the history of zodiacal astrology, tracing the origins of the system and of the signs. From the Romans, to the Greek, to the Babylonians, and back into the Stone Age, he will take you on a journey into the ancient past to see if we can find out exactly how old the Zodiac is.

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0:00 Introduction
3:18 The Hellenistic (Greek) Zodiac
4:17 The Babylonian Constellations
10:35 Sumerian Evidence
12:50 El Castillo Cave
15:34 The Glastonbury Zodiac
24:03 The Alatri Acropolis

After viewing, come back to the notes here for further information.

Watch the full episode of Ancient Aliens here:
https://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens/season-14/episode-13

Before Orion by Bernie Taylor:
beforeorion.com

On Ancient Greek Astronomy and Astrology:
https://erenow.net/ancient/ancient-greece-and-rome-an-encyclopedia-for-students-4-volume-set/49.php

How Old is the Tropical Zodiac?


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-origin-of-the-greek-c/
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/1998JBAA..108….9R
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1998JBAA..108…79R/0000079.000.html
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/2004JHA….35..161S/0000161.000.html
http://members.westnet.com.au/gary-david-thompson/page9o.html
http://members.westnet.com.au/gary-david-thompson/page2.html

On Babylonian Astronomy and Astrology:
http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56/sub402/entry-6063.html

Mary Caine’s original article on the Glastonbury Zodiac:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/GGZodiac2.html

More on the Glastonbury Zodiac:
http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/avalon-zodiac.html

On the Ponter’s Ball excavation:
https://www.somersetheritage.org.uk/record/18402
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1006154

On the Glastonbury Tor excavation:
https://www.somersetheritage.org.uk/record/23603

Giulio Magli paper on the Alatri Acropolis:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00004-006-0001-2

Professor Miano’s handy guide for learning, “How to Know Stuff,” is available here:
https://www.amazon.com/How-Know-Stuff-distinguish-misinformation-ebook/

►Download Professor Miano’s free e-booklet: “Why Ancient History Matters”:
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36 Comments on "How old is the ZODIAC? | Ancient Aliens and the Constellation Code"

  1. Cyn Gli
    October 16, 2020

    Haven't people oriented to the stars for guidance/direction maybe always? Likely it wasn't 'zodiac;' most probably wasn't zodiac as we think of it. But there is a human tendency to look for patterns. So I don't think it's strange that people laid out "monuments" or buildings or earth forms or grave sites aligned with the patterns they saw in the stars. As above so below. It's not that weird. And OMG can't wait for Gobleki tepe

  2. Luka Žarković
    October 16, 2020

    8:21 that picture of a telescope seems misleading, did they have some sort of a telescope in antiquity?

  3. Mat Mem
    October 16, 2020

    Ancient aliens makes my head hurt.

  4. Eddy Monies
    October 16, 2020

    I identified as a fish before this video but now I’m free to spread my ridiculous swallow wings and fly! The real shame is that I cannot use the newspaper to cold read my future every week as a cheap Miss Cleo alternative for life direction and am now prone to swift recruitment and indoctrination into any number of fringe death cults. Thanks David!

  5. Huntgar 4Life
    October 16, 2020

    Even better video than the great one I expected it to be👍

  6. PathsUnwritten
    October 16, 2020

    Dating constellations is not a static thing, either. The stars are not in the same positions today as they were 2000 years ago, much less 10,000, etc. years ago. If I remember correctly, enough space has opened up in the last 2000 years between the Greco-Roman constellations for a 13th to be added.

  7. Locadio Marcucco
    October 16, 2020

    Thank You

  8. k1w1
    October 16, 2020

    You ask about evidence that the zodiac goes back further than the Sumerians: Baigent or Hancock (I forget which fool, possibly both) claims the Sphinx used to have the head of a lion and that it points in the direction where the sun rose over the horizon at the equinox during the astrological age of Leo which was about 10,000 - 12,000 years ago, so that means it was constructed that long ago by people who knew about the zodiac.
    What says you, doctor?

  9. dOCTOR sPOCK
    October 16, 2020

    That looks like Mr. Crabs on the kool! lol

  10. dOCTOR sPOCK
    October 16, 2020

    I haven't finished watching the video yet but alot of people base their theories on the zodiac being around for at least 10,000 years. I've been wondering how far we can trace them back.

  11. SurfK9
    October 16, 2020

    I don't believe in Astrology. I'm a Leo and Leo's are skeptical.

  12. Star W432
    October 16, 2020

    Were these early zodiacs associated with both yearly and precessional cycles? When did the concept of the astrological age begin? How ancient people could deduce such a phenomenon is incredible. What exactly is that tablet depicting a lion on the back of a dragon shown at minute 6:00?

  13. A.T. Levi
    October 16, 2020

    How much are they paying you, shill?

  14. Dhindara Vrel
    October 16, 2020

    There are ads on youtube?

  15. Håvard Støre Andresen
    October 16, 2020

    Great video as always:-) I am so glad I found your channel. About ancient zodiac I am only familiar with Martin Sweatmans work. I am a fan of his other work on organizing the younger drias cataclysm pros and cons evidence in a huge series of videos. About the ancient zodiac I am not convinced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NcXR7iqVrY

  16. Vincit Omnia Veritas
    October 16, 2020

    "In the spirit of debate" yet you don't have actual debates (it requires at least two participants).

  17. Psicóloga Marcela Collado
    October 16, 2020

    I find your content so intriguing that I would like to share it with my friends (and "enemies"), but most of them speak Spanish. Would you be interested in a translation?

  18. Anne Macnaughtan
    October 16, 2020

    I have been waiting for this since you talked about it on Stefan's channel. I am an Astrologer but have always been interested in the ancient origins and when I heard you and Stefan talk about this I was really excited. Sometimes when you are really looking forward to something and you build it up in your mind the reality can be disappointing. Instead, this has surpassed my expectations. This is a video I will be watching many times over. Thank you so much for doing this and well done.

  19. Josh Mull
    October 16, 2020

    Another great one, couldn't agree with more with your point about interdisciplinary collaboration. Not only do I think a lot of these pseudo-historians miss out on a lot of art and aesthetic knowledge (as in maybe it's shaped like that because humans think that shape looks nice), but they also seem to fall into some gaps that a little behavioral science could fill in. For example, when you're talking about the lineage of the zodiac, you say the Romans "got it" from the Greeks, and the Greeks "got it" from the Babylonians, and so on. That process of "getting it" is, I think, where historical evidence is most lacking, and so it's the gap that conspiracy theorists fill in with Aliens, the Illuminati, the European monoculture, etc. A little bit of behavioral biology might tell us that those ancient people were exactly the same as us, they think like us, feel like us, etc. That means it very well could have been some Greek dude who saw a Sumerian dude's star chart and thought it looked cool. Maybe he's inspired to do one for his Greek buddies, but they wouldn't really get the reference of the swallows, and they won't know who Dumuzi is, so our Greek guy will have to change some things so the locals will get it easier. Of course, there's no evidence for that at all, that's why we have to say they "got it from" instead of so-and-so was inspired by this other guy. But if you're going to get into speculation and use your imagination to fill in those blanks, why is it always Aliens? Why can't it be "yeah, lions are cool, let's put a lion on our thing, too!" Anyway, thanks for another amazing video!

  20. blooscorn
    October 16, 2020

    Fantastic as always. I'm still not sure I get the "what would be the significance of the zodiac being older than conventionally established?" even after watching the video, but I do love me a well produced youtube history lesson.

  21. claudia xander
    October 16, 2020

    Regarding pillar 43: I feel that the 3 'bag like' objects are representations of 3 temples in side elevation view.

    The stone walls with extruded entrance way seen clearly here in a model of Gobekli Tepe: https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/magazine/00000144-0a2f-d3cb-a96c-7b2f577f0000

    The 'bag handles' are depictions of wood/reed/skin dome roofs similar to a Zulu Kraal structure as seen here: https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-29669446-zulu-kraal

    and here: https://wretchedshekels.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/kraal-in-1903-8.jpg

    Each structures doorway is shown crowned with a different tribal totem animal symbol.

    Further down the pillar, we see stylised tall sheaves of wheat, like this:

    https://www.canstockphoto.com/sheaves-of-wheat-4769032.html

    Then, below this harvested crop, there is a low lying stone boundary wall, which does still exist in situ.

    And most dramatically of all we are now treated to a shaman, dressed in vulture wings and mask, dancing with a style of hand held circular drum, commonly by used by primitive tribes to induce trance states,
    as perfectly depicted here:

    https://www.123rf.com/photo_22450065_portrait-of-a-shaman-dancing-with-a-drum-outdoor-.html.

    Below the drumming shaman there is a clear physical and narrative separation between the head of the stone pillar and the supporting body where we see 'The Beyond' by way of a selection of beasts associated with the untamed wilderness and death itself; namely wolf, snake, scorpion and a vulture next to a decapitated human during an 'excarnation', the ancient practice of dead bodies being exposed to carrion birds, usually vultures, so as to strip the flesh from the skeleton in preparation for further ritual use.

    So! In summary:

    It’s harvest festival at Gobekli Tepe.

    Nice and simple!

  22. shanos antwanos
    October 16, 2020

    Megolithic
    ..big.
    The big times..just after the small or minorlithic.

  23. ÞúnráR
    October 16, 2020

    I was born under the sign of SpongeBob SquarePants!!! Best day ever!

  24. Nick Vincent
    October 16, 2020

    Excellent as always. Although Katherine Maltwood can be dismissed as an example of mild British eccentricity, one rascal, Iolo Morgannwg (real name Edward Williams) was responsible for the creation of a pseudo-Druid culture in Wales and celebrated as the world famous Eisteddfod festival. Iolo forged amongst many manuscripts the "Lost" poems by Dafydd ap Gwilym, but his enthusiasm included design resulting in construction of Gorsedd megalithic stone circles dotted around Wales, non of which are ancient although many believe them to be so. His design copies Boscawen-Un located in Cornwall. I would loved to have taken tea with Katherine, probably mad as a March Hare but fascinating non the less.

  25. rafaelfcf
    October 16, 2020

    Have you ever thought on writing a series on the Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian etc. gods/myths and their development throughout time? Like take a god/myth, show how society transformed its representation along the eras? After I found out Aphrodite was a bootlegged Inanna I was shook, SHOOK! I always thought the Greek gods were... you know... Greek! I even tried to read more about them going into primary sources and stuff, but the problem is that I can't figure out which text came first, or from where, or from whom. So far, I understood geopolitical movements drastically changed the pantheon, their relations to each other and specially the main god, but I have not enough knowledge to figure out WHAT IS GOING ON! Hehehehehehehehe... HEEEEEEEEELP! Like, who's the first chief of the gods? Anu? Enki? Enlil? Does it change from Sumerians to Assyrians, or even withing Sumerian society? WHO IS MARDUK and who invited him? Is Anu and Uranus the same guy? What about the Kumarbi? Is the cutting of the ... jews... a Hurrian thing that became a Hittite thing, and finally a Greek thing? Or Enlil was chopping some godhood away millennia ago? Is it true that Ereshkigal became Persephone and Ashera Demeter first in the rape os Kore for the Myceneans and years later they decided to do a Hollywood and reboot the myth into an Adonis story with Persephone and proper Aphrodite? I even read somewhere that Anu, or Enlil (I can't remember which), was written in a very similar group of consonants as YHWH. It was something like YHNH or YNWH I can't remember! Is mythology and religion the ancient version of the DC Universe with their 8 Jokers, some of them contemporary?

  26. Alex Chiang
    October 16, 2020

    Was there actual usage of the word celestial to refer to a specific group of people? Back in those elder ages?

  27. rafaelfcf
    October 16, 2020

    DUMB QUESTION... how did they know the sun passed through those constellations if they couldn't see starts during the day?

  28. szpak mateusz
    October 16, 2020

    Stick the Babylonian zodiac to almost everything;) ? NO.. ...what about Glastonbury? sacred for the Celts ?, so what happens after sunset and what is the alignment ? , for example during Imbolc:

    Imbolc: aligned with the sun
    https://www.suncalc.org/#/51.1447,-2.6987,18/2020.02.01/16:57/1/0
    https://www.suncalc.org/#/51.1447,-2.6988,17/2020.02.01/16:57/1/1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AkDdj6TEU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NcXR7iqVrY
    best regards

  29. Panino Manino
    October 16, 2020

    Ah, I think I know about what you'll talk about Golbektepe.
    I don't belive that "the zodiac" existed until recorded story but I do belive that humans looked and though about the skies. It's something that they must have tried to understand, because "the above" is a place where a bunch of strange phenomenons happen. Things that humans would remember, discuss and record (like they maybe did at Golbek).

  30. Oisin Lally
    October 16, 2020

    I opened this with one place in mind: Gobekli Tepe. the relatively new hypothesis regarding the age of the sphinx would also place it accurately according to the astrological ages. Have you covered the alleged visitors to ancient mesoamerican people? Also Fr Crespi is worth at least one episode given the suspicious nature of his findings burning down.

  31. Advanced Living
    October 16, 2020

    This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels, David.

  32. Nick Nack
    October 16, 2020

    Glastonbury is full of crazy people. It has a circus atmosphere. They're very nice, but they're utterly bonkers.

    Giorgio Tsoukalos is actually certifiable. What on earth was Magli thinking when he got involved with Ancient Aliens carnival? Did they tell him the score when they booked him?

    Sweatman's claims for Göbekli Tepe are in the Ancient Alien arena. I look forward to your analysis.

  33. John Edge
    October 16, 2020

    See Stellarium, sky mapping free and open source. It allows you to display "sky cultures" from various traditions.
    Wikipedia says that as of version 0.8.1, Stellarium contains 4 different sets of sky cultures: Western, Chinese, Ancient Egyptian, and Polynesian.

  34. John Palmer
    October 16, 2020

    Fantastic video, I'm watching now! Tweeted as always!
    Robert Sepehr has made a number of video on this subject - are you aware of his work?
    Also, you're one of the few channels I watch the adds on.

  35. Baron von Quiply
    October 16, 2020

    Oh, cool. I saw the post last night and wanted to see this.

    I caught it when it's only 3 minutes old =)

  36. claudia xander
    October 16, 2020

    Marvellous as always! Cheers!
    Perfect accompaniment to making Eccles cakes!


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